This is Hacker Public Radio Episode 3,800 and 6 for Monday the 6th of March 2023. Today's show is entitled, HPR Community News for February 2023. It is part of the series HPR Community News. It is hosted by HPR volunteers and is about 77 minutes long. It carries an explicit flag. The summary is, HPR volunteers talk about shows released and comments posted in February 2023. Hi everybody, my name is Ken Thun and you are listening to another episode of Hacker Public Radio. Joining me today is, Hi there, it's Dave Boris. Yes, Dave, I'd like to take over my show. That's going to help. I want to say it's a brilliant job last month. Two people in YouTube this whole concept, this is HPR Community News, where the juniors put down their proverbial mobs of office and have a look around and go through all the shows and talk about the stuff that's been happening in the HPR Community News. In this month, I will want to say that there's going to be a loss of profanity in this show. So if you are a little bit later on when we do the comments section. So at that point, be aware that that is something that you're going to need to take care of. You've got a few minutes, so you head down the highway with the kids in the back of the car. Now we'll be a time to turn it off or listen with headphones on or something. So fair warnings on this one. Anyway, as is traditional community news, we look at what HPR is. It's a podcast where every show is submitted by a volunteer host very much like you. And what we have shows for the next week and a bit, we're still short of shows. So if you could send in a show, that would be great. If you've never recorded a show before, just press record on your mobile phone or other device and say hi, my name is Bla. This is the journey of how I got into tech and introduce yourself to the community. Go to the website, pick a free slot, fill in your email, you get a link, you fill out the form, it's filled in the self-explanatory, most importantly is to upload your show and then we'll take care of the rest. So more people do that the better and then you can listen to next month's community news where we will then give you a list of shows that we intend we would like to hear more from you. It's all very simple to listen to. Oh yes, so yes. And as is traditional, if you introduce the new hosts. Yes, we have three new hosts this month, which is wonderful. We have screw tape, we have Starship Tux, and we have David Threen Christianson, I think you met at the post-Ammング Mallou, I'm not a lot of people, we were supposed to do a follow-up show on that post life kind of get in the way, but that's something we might just do as a little bit. Yeah, that should be valid. Yeah, exactly. It's a huge share of what we're not that worried about rushing shows out a ton of time. So the first thing that we do is we go through the shows that were on last month and the first one that was up was from Mike Ray, episode 3, 7, 8, 3, which I have to admit Dave, I was a bit worried about when he posted that one. Why have I particularly? Well, you know, it was, okay, just to give people the background, what some people might not know is that Mike is a visually impaired, and as a result uses text to speech tools to navigate our website, and I was worried like that there was going to be whole chunks of the websites missing, you know, Mike wouldn't know because, you know, the screen reader doesn't see it, so the screen reader doesn't see it, Mike doesn't hear it, but I think it was okay, all in all of this. Yeah, yeah, it was just, it's not perfect by any means, but I think we've between us managed to move the line further forward over the years, especially with some feedback from Mike and other visually impaired people, so yeah, it won't be complacent, but I think we're, we're not too badly off. Yeah, it didn't sound that horrendously bad, I mean, what it sounded like, it will, I personally consider that any accessibility bugs are a P1 bug, that's not to say it to get fixed straight away. It's at the top of the list when we have time to fix stuff, and yeah, so that's good. Mikey on Tronic says, actually, can you do the first comment because I responded and then I can respond? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, make a Tronic, says, apropos of question mark, HPR, that was my introduction, by the way. HPR, the site is all good to download from now that I'm using a standalone MP3 player and my computer instead, and my computer instead of an Android podcasting app that automatically does it. I don't understand why things are made more tedious for PC users, but this is a degradation. It doesn't help that the podcast apps for PC are garbage, pod friend doesn't even let you download. I should be a way to download more than one podcast at once without mastering some scripting language. So it stands as if I want to, is if I want to download shows, I have to navigate to each individual page and then click to the MP3. One or point MP3 link on the main list, so people can download the podcast without having to go to each individual page first. This is so tedious, especially after getting used to the ease of Android apps. Yeah, to which I replied, podcast, clients, how many I'd like, thanks for the feedback. When you clarify which page you mean when you send main list, the main page is a link to the media files. If you want a custom control, then I suggest you load the site RSS feed into any of the many podcasting clients that are available, for example, G-Putter and they will allow you to download all some are not depending on your wishes, I guess, as what I meant to say. Click Tronet replies, G-Putter, G-Putter, I tried once, the discover new podcast feature is completely broken. I can't there be a straightforward list of MP3s to download that I can save as and download from the list. I mean, in the two-week show list, I guess that's good, but it's in RSS format, forcing people to use other and another app, when all that's required is HTML, seems aggressive. I think RSS should be probably part of the HTML standard, but it's not so pain in the R's plugin is required. Anyway, you can search and scroll for the MP3 links in the two-week feed, scrolling a little too much, then it shows the next five weeks as links. I want to have an MP3 of each show there, the full list doesn't even display in the PIT list extension I'm using, I can't there be easy HTML links, MP3s by the 100 or so, I don't really care about the other formats, I mean, I like the show notes, but when I come here to download MP3s, I want to be able to download a bunch of the time and not have to spend a lot of time doing so. And he goes all to say awkward websites, sorry about how jackking you're coming smart, I will listen to your podcast, I should clarify the homepage when you scroll down to, when you scroll down isn't identical to the two-week feed, which is a bit of scrolling to find the MP3s, but okay, since you're on the same page, then there is the nice table with a list of last month's shows but no direct MP3 links. So if you are two weeks or more behind, you have to click on each show title, then go to that page, find the MP3 link to download the show. Then you have to go and repeat the process, what a waste of time. Can't forget link to the shows MP3 next to the title on the table so that I don't have to keep going back and forth, go to our code that will be better optimized, same, and this is where you turn off your radio, do do do do do do do do do do, okay, and presumably everybody is now okay with listening to explicit content, same shit, you give you a picture of the audio waveform and the link page, but not MP3, and rather have an MP3 link, then look at the stupid waveform, everything sucks. The HAPLSH email user is click-liver for no reason, it shouldn't be so punishing for people using HTML, this is a web, after all, and I find the podcast player for the PCP, PC and sufferable, most of the good ones are for Android and don't even have a PC version. I would trade all RSS links for a simple table design that had like 100 episodes for page, with a direct link to the MP3 if you choose, you can also read the show notes by clicking the title, all this would take is a little better adding a small letter links to the MP3's own last month's show table on the homepage and extend the table for three months, I'm sure that room could be made please. There's another comment from Megatroniac, NM, nevermind, I'm using the crippled G-Pod of the RSS for now, I think my comments about the website are valid though. Okay, and I'd want to say fixed, I updated the site as a question, I also uploaded, updated the complete episode guide and HACOPOPIC radio index, but for HTML, I'm created in the index of the same change on a new site generation tool which is issue 70 for Rome, which has also been fixed, I believe, and I would like to say something about this comment and about Megatroniac who we will be talking about leisure on very much. This is an example of why we kind of need to guide Megatroniac in what he's saying. He has a valid issue, there's an improvement that can be made in the website. Yes, it took three long verbal spools in order to get what he wanted to say across. Once I understood what it was that he wanted to say, it was a trivial matter to implement it. So, don't assume that we're not going to do something, so don't assume don't be hostile about stuff, just state the issue, this might be a good idea, I see that there are no links down underneath, it would be a very good idea if you could add those links, blah, and we will do it. It's not a fair point, Dave, absolutely, yes, yes, yes, I don't really come to understand what the problem was as we've been reading these comments to be honest, so there was so much for beer and bad feeling in this version, absolutely absolutely, I mean we will be there, but it doesn't achieve much to do it that way, yeah, because what I'm getting right, I'm the person who can fix the issue and I'll fix the issue, so I'm sitting here trying to decipher, he's frustrated at something, what is this, he's frustrated at, so make it funny, make it electronic, absolutely, write this stuff, okay, there's an old trick, I don't know what boss of mine used to do, she would write a response to email, go, are you fucking nuts, you're absolutely stupid to do this because blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, then she would go back and go, oh, actually maybe they have a point on that and then rewrite the thing, of course, hilariously in super which accidentally left the people's names in and pressed send and ran it to the server room and turned off the power so that we can get routed out those for those of the good old days, however, write it down and then go back, leave it for 24 hours, top tip, leave it for 24 hours, you know, it's been like this for 17 years, another nice one-tartist, leave it for 24 hours, come back and read it with a fresh pair of eyes and then submit your book report, I think Tattoo mentioned this before when filing a book report, it said something along the lines that are paraphrasing, when paraphrasing because I've had the same thing myself, when filing a book report, during the process of filing the book report, I realize, I haven't covered all the bases and point out do cover all the bases, I realize what it is, so again, this is some some janitorial advice that we offer here free as the service on HPR, but at the end of the day Dave, we've got an improvement, it's a valid point because I know the history behind this because there were on different pages and then we merged and now the feed down there and the code never copied over, so yeah, that makes sense, it's a good suggestion and it has been implemented, yep, yeah, good, good outcome, but rather talk to a supplier, a pilot path to get to it, exactly, okay, the next day, Celeste, if I've reasoned not correct it, please so, two-factor authentication without a phone number, diving into privacy aware offline methods for generating one-time passwords, so services implement two-factor authentication and yep, and we have one comment on this who's turn is it, you, I forgot, I thought it, okay, go ahead, as Enflator 2 says, thank you for making this podcast, I found your version of two-factor authentication interesting and would love us if more companies implement this comment sense rather than marketing, good point, yep, yep, it I certainly learned something from this episode, the plaque that keep past X, C could handle one-to-time, one-time passwords, yeah, I didn't know that at all, so I haven't used it yet, but it could be good to using some context, good show notes as well, if I miss it, indeed, I'm moving on, hacking Boba Bubble, Topicana Pearl Fail, this one's operator in the kitchen, and when this one came in, I had no idea what he was on about, so I think I added that link to the Wikipedia article for, okay, okay, T. I knew of this, I've not tried it, I don't particularly want to, it's all sugar, and I'm diabetic, so I don't know, and I was brought up as a kid eating tapioca, which is in here, and I hated it, detested it with great violence, it was a dessert that was quite popular in the 60s, 70s and stuff, I think, but, oh, I hated it, so yeah, so little attraction there is, yeah, but, you know, each chase on, it was quite interesting, I've seen, because I like watching Asian cooking things, because I do moderate amount of Asian cooking myself, and I've seen things where they make the sort of dove for these balls and have machine that sort of stamps them out and all this sort of stuff, it's very popular in career and Singapore and very specific Vietnam, I think, and Thailand, and wherever, all over the place, so I surprised us a lot of sugar that was in there, absolutely, it's all really, really thick with brown sugar and stuff, so yeah, not healthy, there were no comments on that, as yes, probably people were too busy making it to comment, chewing the way through, because the fair amount of chewing in the world, I would imagine to do these tapioca bowl things, and then we had the community news where we left you high and drive, they've, sorry about that, that you couldn't use the mumbles over, I had the application started moona on my phone and then I told us, you know, doing all apps, but apparently it was still recording, which is rather scary, yeah, to be honest, yeah, it was hard to, I mean, from my end, I couldn't tell what was going on except that I could hear everything that was going on the table, which was just not, you know, presumably not what you wanted, but yeah, it drowned the channel completely, I couldn't, I thought I might have the ability to turn off your connection, but I don't have those privileges on the member, I don't know who does actually, we should probably ask, should probably get you those privileges on the server, yep, okay anyway, we managed to find a plan B and that was fine, but yes, certainly sound pretty good, wow, it was absolutely not the, I printed off a thousand leaflets, because I was thinking, yeah, okay, well, you know, there were, there was only like five euros between, you know, 500 and a thousand, so to the thousand, and we gave away a thousand leaflets, this is, that's amazing, yeah, and that, every one of them is a conversation with somebody, and there were loads of people who just didn't take leaflets, they would photograph it, you know, take picture with the phone and then move off, so there were, and it was quieter than your normal faster, just on the leaflet, yeah, wow, so they were estimating eight thousand attendees on the website, but yeah, maybe not as many in where you were, I don't know, yeah, well, it was just, you know, it was mobbed certain times, but yeah, you could feel that there was less people, though, or less cues, yeah, there was a good bacteria, but it was easily the less than, I, you know, the super long cues, and they, you know, on the K building, sometimes when I was recording, going around recording a boots, you just couldn't get to the boot, because I was four and five people deep, and around they, around the deviant stands and stuff, it was would have been impossible to get to, but I think the move things around as well, the try moving the stands, the various different places as well, sort of, that kind of helped. Yep, yeah, still, and we have some place to write in the middle, and now I know why. Yes, yes, thank you so very much. Well, they want us to do next year is all the speakers on the main track, before they, when the main track speakers are announced, what they want to do is that we as Hacker Public Radio will interview these people, you know, where you come from, what are the standard set of questions, and those audio, that audio would be published on HPR, and then get released. So, I'm actually thinking it's a good idea, the only thing is we may need to spread the workload a little bit, so that's, you know, recording team exactly, so if Clacky can do the Asian ones, and somebody, uh, Clattoo can do the Australian, New Zealand, folks, and then we have people in the states doing the states ones, you know, can do the European ones, and then there's all scheduling things, so it would be a big thing, but it would, it really does put us front and center, and, unfortunately, front and center as a foster, it's which, of course, people think it's a European conference, but I saw some statistics there that showed that 65% of the nationalities that were there were, you know, the, it was a breakdown, based on nationalities of speakers, I think, or attendees, I'm not sure how they came up with the boss, 65% are Americans, so it's, uh, it may be a European conference, but it's very international, it's amazing. Yeah, like Belgium, people from Belgium were way down the list, you know, as well as people from the UK, people from, uh, from Germany, people from all over, so, yeah, it's a very international conference. Very good. Okay, so we're going to the next show, I guess. It's shaking cracker like that, but that's, uh, it's never, never much of wrong describes fist fixing, wiring in the ceramic Christmas tree, and, uh, that's just, that just brought me back to, uh, a pair of Christmas lights, my father had, oh my god, they, uh, when you plug them in, the local power station will go, woohoo. Yeah, yeah, I think I've experienced that, but everything, I think when I was a kid, my parents used to put actual candles on Christmas tree, I lit them once and then went, oh, we're not doing that again, but yeah, yeah, the techniques were doing this sort of stuff were, were dangerous back in the day, boss, you got a fixed and seems serious than it was, so that's a good start. It did a great job. I like his pictures, by the way, the way that, that they're all laid out, uh, in figure layer, is that what that is? No, it's quite good. It does look nice. It doesn't transfer to, um, I could, oh, unfortunately, they, they strip all that HTML out, to, it looks nice on the HPSI. Good stuff, good stuff, uh, where, we're going to have to implement the switch over the HCR site. I'm thinking, it's only a matter of time. My guilt levels are arising very high, especially if we again, when you see Rolls change, change log comes flooding and we're going, oh, I still haven't put it all for the life. Okay, well, we need to do that. Yeah, figure out that. No comments on that. Obviously, uh, we'll have to waste for next Christmas for, uh, that happens. Yeah, yeah. So, nice core tube torch. This is, I don't know, is this, uh, everybody in Scotland have one of these? Everybody in this house. Yeah, at the moment. Which is just me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did give one to uh, my son's girlfriend because she, she works late, um, and you should have a little torch in your pocket on your key room. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, there were no comments here, but I actually got a comment on Master Dawn. Somebody saying, oh, that's really good. I enjoyed your show. So, that's the first time for me. Yeah, good. Should maybe, um, incorporate some of the Master Dawn's Master Dawny stuff at some point. Yeah, yeah, if we can trace it or whatever, we can, as you think, to both bone launching the website, Dave. I just know it's not going to be a mess. It's going to be a mess. It's going to be, there's, anytime I do stuff like that, suddenly my own personal life bugs up, and then the HPR site is broken and, you know, there's a division of duty. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yes, yes, it, uh, there's running HPR takes fair bit of time. So, uh, yeah, you'd have a clear run out. Yeah, these are some things I've heard of. Brace yourself. Uh, anyway, the next day we had a new host, Scoop Tape, with a commonless portable games, including ACL2 format logic to which Claudio says, Claudio M, great first episode. Hey, fellow SDFR, which is the, um, SDF? What does that sound for? Something like super dimension fortress. Ah, such a, it's the free field there. Something like that. Yeah, yeah, it's a, it's a unique cluster that, uh, that's free free access. Anyway, Claudio continues, I enjoyed the episode, even if it was over my head for the morning drive in traffic. Sounds great, and thanks for the shout out. I'm glad I had a hand in getting you to submit an episode, and I'm sure everyone is thankful to hear what you had to say, looking forward to future episodes from you. Maybe we can guess, I bet, another fellow SDF for, to do, for those who don't know, to record an episode on a similar list, topic, or to respond to your episode. See what they did there. Oh, Claudio's on parole, is he? Good, good. And we had a comment from Zen flow to two. Nice show he says. I finally decided to join MasterDone today and sent Scoop Tape a message there. So I'm on the same server, Instances Screw Tape now. I also went through GoFa resources he's using. I had the big idea that I would use, uh, and by, uh, used by Chrome, GoFa extension, micro, extension thing to view all of it, ended up using links from my Linux beta on this Chromebook, because the Chrome GoFa extension fell flat on its face, thanks Google. I'm going to have to get a new computer with 32 gigs of ram, so I can run for Goeter again and quit using these Chromebooks. It's bad on my image. That is to say if I had an image. And the next day we had two, just two, just gone. Why I can't I say that? Two sun. Two sun. Yeah, two sun Arizona. Two sun. Part two, we continue our month-long stay at Benson at town just south east of Tuscan, Tuscan, Tuscan. Two sun Arizona. Lord, yeah, and yes, we'll continue. Um, Stephen Aruna didn't run out of things to do, and this was kind of nice because he had links to his picture, which one? Yeah, yes, yes. I find that it's fascinating. I've been to Arizona, but not not not to go around it much, so yeah, it's a fascinating place. Hot in very dry. Still amazing. Yeah, very good. I listen to this almost confess after repulsed it, because I couldn't wait for the second part, so that was that. So the following day in my heart, we're a problem, which is keyboards. Oh, and yes, it is Starship Tucks. It doesn't need heavy keyboard a problem. And that problem is not having enough keyboards, apparently. Yes. Yes, I was fascinated by this. I've not come across anybody who has quite so many keyboards, though my son is heading in that direction. And yes, I'm really interesting tells about the good and the bad. And I'm going to listen again. I've made a note to myself to do it because it's so many so much information there. He mentions the Duckie, Duckie keyboards, which I have here in front of me, with its LED cycling through the spectrum or something or other. So yeah, yeah, it's a lovely keyboard. It was my Christmas present. Very good last year. Yeah, yeah, it's great. It's really nice and solidly built and whatever. But yeah, I'd like to hear tons more about keyboards. It's a fascinating subject, so I'm concerned. Yeah, just two heads-ups that I did there. One was I used the transcripts to get links to all the stuff. So if the links are not ideal, there are a stills as I could get this on the transcript, which is excellent, plus transcripts are working out about. And I also applied noise reduction because it was quite difficult to listen to. The original audio. But the original audio is available on archive.org if you want to get it from there. Cool. Yeah, good show. Good first show. Very nice. My comment is this? I cannot remember. Right, I'll do it. I'm tray, keyboard addiction. This was a great perspective on the world of keyboards and customizations. I too grew up with solid mechanical keyboards. The first PC keyboard I purchased was the lighten tactile 101 key and I loved it. Part of me wants to try to get something which would get me back to the feeling of those old keyboards. However, I have a friend who has fallen into the addiction of constantly needing top grade rebuilt customized their keyboard and I could see myself there easily too. Thanks again for sharing great first episode and look forward to hearing more of your work. Yeah, good stuff. Yes, yes. I'm surprised there weren't more keyboard addicts about that. Yeah, they're too busy using their keyboards for a really. So the next day we had learning three music part one. I was like to see that coming in Dave. I mean, somebody was Michelle. In which we learned to read music by going for a walk. This bed absolutely no sense whatsoever. When I was listening to as a double the speed so I went back and listened to as I'm pretty sure after the music shift. That kind of cool. Yeah, I also struggled with it because I tend to list the podcast and I'm doing other things and you need to concentrate a lot more than I did first time around. Second time round is better. It's going to need another listen to a fully grasp what he's talking about. And to look at his information on his own site, who looked at that. Yeah. No, great. You need to see. Yeah, yeah. Great. Great idea. I was taught to read music as a kid of about 10 or something 9 or 10, but I don't remember. I hardly any of it now. Didn't get into music big time. So you do tris? Yep. Trace comment is what fun? This took me back to my days in elementary middle school learning several instruments and to high school and college choir. This was much fun as I happened to listen to it while walking around the grocery store. I'm sure it was quite a sight. I finally figured out why I was getting out of breath though. I listened to podcast at one point five times speed. So sprinting around at the grocery store. Thank you for recording this. I look forward to the next parts. Excellent. Excellent. And Jesu says quite possibly the most tall tapping episode of HBO. Thank you. Although I don't tap my hands, didn't tap my hands. I certainly tap my feet in time to the beat while you were typing while all the while typing away at work. So very good. Very good. Excellent. Like these. That's a great idea for sure. Yeah. Really good. And Zenfloat or two can with God probably will use a Chromebook which now has a counterpoint show called called or probably use a Chromebook which is episode 3754 by some guy in the internet obviously. And Zenfloat or two says appraising the show the squirrels of a thousand holes. Thank you. Oh no. This is a counter to Zenfloat or two shows. So this is some guy in the internet. Where's the show about God will probably use a Chromebook by some guy in the internet. And I was very welcome. It's confusing, eh? Yes. Exactly. Thank you guys. Oh, he did it. He did a really good job of the panelising the original show with clippings and that sort of stuff which is which I think is a really nice polite way of responding to the show and commenting on it. Well, some guy in the internet is a gentleman. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. And he did a wonderful job of it. I did enjoy listening to his response and his response to the response. Yeah. After Zenfloat is comment. This is squirrel of a thousand holes. The Scotty says you are welcome kind squirrel. I had fun making the show. I'm hoping to create more show responses in the future. Thank you for giving us all something to ponder. Excellent. Excellent. Yeah. Yes. A wonderful pair of shows. Have we jumped into the next month or not? No, no, no, no, we're not. We're fine. The next day, archer 72 had retro karaoke machine restored where the fix a cassette tip mechanism for resale to a resale shop karaoke machine. There's a thing actually that I would like people to stop doing is using the first tense and start using the third tense. Because I copy and paste these. So, but in archer 72 said of I fix the cassette tip mechanism. If you could put in archer 72 fixes the cassette mechanism. Oh, right. Yeah. And not just archer 72. Everybody does it. So if I'm trying to do that, I'm trying to modify that now when I upload the shows in the first place to go back and fix them. Because it makes the social media stuff a lot easier. I can just paste that when I'm doing the response the following day to the HDR things. Now, fair enough, fair enough. What back to the show? Excellent. Again, as always. More interesting stuff. What do one he does? Does he keep the stuff or does he sell it on? I don't think he said, yeah, I was wondering that because it seemed like quite a fun machine. I'm not sure you'd want to be singing karaoke in your house, would you? I don't know. I've never, I believe we've had that done that for parties, for both of us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It would be good for kids' parties and in terms of things. Yeah. Well, we're adults. You can do it. Oh, I don't know. Oh, don't put away your wand. Anyway, yes. That would be quite good. Well, it shouldn't be a wand of judgment. It should be a plunger of judgment, totally plunger of judgment. Anyway, yes. It was fascinating. I did like the pictures of showing the steps involved and that sort of stuff. I've taken a part cassette players in the bathroom, not, and I have fixed them, actually, but they weren't very, very broken, not like this one was. But yeah, yeah, excellent. I thought it was really good. And he was capturing stuff off it using a USB DAC digital audio thingy. And yeah, it's interested in that. I've had a few chances to know about it, actually, but yeah, I saw it on the, on the Bastardons or not the Mustardons, the LN on the Matrix. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So what, yeah, can you do with one of the spoons though? Yeah, sure. One of the spoon says tape cassettes. I've just mounted a few cassette players in the past. The memories make me shudder, but I thought the pieces were neat. I've never repaired one. I repaired a lot of chewed up cassette tapes, though, albeit stretched all with missing sections. Yeah, cool. I had a, I had a splicing thingy for effort tapes. You know, it wasn't for cassette tapes, or you could get those, put a bit of sticky tape, and you cut it at 45 degree angle and stuff. Yeah, but I did have a splice of for a real-to-reel tape, awful thing to have to do. But you could make loops and make strange noises and things sort of get record people speaking and then play it back to a million times in the loop. Yeah, I didn't do that. No, no, no. So the next day, we had the very first new year's show episode one, and it's spring isn't even over here in the northern house for day of what's going on. Yeah, I know everything's, everything's upside down. It's dog sniffle with cuts, good. It was great to hear actually this, this early um, huge cue to us to the, the team that, that made it happen. It's something I didn't have to ask, and hit you lovecraft again, did a fantastic job, and let's show it not. Yep, I think the trackscripts may have helped actually. I would think so, yes, yes, but still, it's still quite a massive undertaking. They are fantastic. I've met a point of just going through each of the links and opening them up because if they've tracked down everything, it's excellent. Yeah, the next country's awesome. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. It's quite a fun show. I quite like the length, actually. I was, I left that particular show to late on in my, my listening for the month, because I sort of slightly downloaded that for it, you know, yeah, yeah, the length, we don't have the time to listen to all of it, but yes, I did them, and in our in 30 minutes or so, it's a good length, I think for, for these. So yeah, really, that like some of them are slightly longer, but it's probably because, you know, there was no natural place to cause us, so yeah, but they are shorter than we've had in previous years, I think. Yeah. So the following day, Newhurst David came in with a quick taste program with dependent types, and this was, uh, show that, uh, Magnaloo managed to extract as foster, so excellent. Yeah, well done, I'm done. So, is it my turn? Yeah, he's the head of the Haskell organization. Yeah, yeah, yeah, by the way, let's just drop that into the chat here, I'll wait a week to show you an interview in itself. It's been mentioned on Macedon and, and elsewhere, I think, but yeah, yeah, excellent, good, good to have him on board. Who's turn is this on the old common Steve? I'll do this one, probably is mine. Um, but Naloo says, concise and clear, concise and clear, David, but then I expected no less given what you said to me at the HBR stand at Foz Dem. I'll be trying out some of these languages and reading the books you mentioned. Thank you for this show. Excellent. You know what we need, Dave, is one of those, you know, chess, you know, speech-est, timers, things, you know, when we're done the top comments, but I can, I can click my and then you can click yours. And yeah, and somebody collected up to two Wii Moses and then sank it over the internet, that would be a good show for one of our hardware actors. Yes, yes, yes, yes, I can, I can see that possibility now, but I'm not, I'm not going to be doing it just yet anyway. No, not for you, for somebody else, somebody else listening, show me what I knew and you, what type of show to do? Gosh, ah, Dave, Dave, I weep, I weep, we never did a base of, some director actually followed like 50 different, different topics that you wanted to do. I cannot believe people that tell me they don't have ideas for shows. I challenge you folks, anybody out there to please contact me if you think you don't have a topic for a show. Anywho, next day I was a show by myself, Andrew Reron, they sleep, Reron, but I get credit first because I pressed record and it was about how to do change request and I haven't actually done the full request to fix the thing that I thought I was going to fix so I better have a look at that at some point. No, this was good. I saw vaguely knew how to do this, but I'd never done it. You've read the stuff that says, if you want to do this to X, Y and Z news, oh yeah, go, got the general jester, but when you come to actually do it, then you're going, oh, I don't really understand it actually. And this helps to fill in the gaps in my mind quite a lot. Yeah, it's good. Good. Yeah, each get like service, get home and get lab and get tea, do it slightly different. So, yeah, the general steps apply. Okay, good. And there were comments. And the first one was from our good friend, Mechia Dronic, who said very cool, I didn't know how much I could help but it looks like a fun way to learn more about Git and how to static site entails this post to whatever it is in the fact now. I'm having trouble finding where to register. I keep getting a bad register by a gateway. If I go to our source, this is the index page and then the zilling to the CBI, it says for all three forbidden ones clicked. And the Git long command run in Linux connects but asked for password where can I sign up to be a member. Now, in contrast to his other comments, this was an idea a comment gives exactly the steps he was doing, it avoids all naughty words that will purse the reader into a bad mood and it gets gives you enough information to carry on. Yeah, yeah, it was a fine bug report, I would say, indeed. And read wrongs response to that because it's the last comment today, if it's comment number five, I'll do that one now. And he says, hey, Mechia Dronic, if you go to an host source of the top, there's a register button that takes you to a form. It's not an automated process of going to take a day or two to run a registration request to be processed. I'm looking into mirroring as in a public location just haven't heard time to do that, yes. And I think actually at the time that he was doing it, that was the day we had a, there was a small outage for a period of time, so perhaps that was it as well. I think it was, yes, you get a message about bad gateway from Nginx, because I saw it too and reported it to Josh, which, and it was, he was able to fix it quite rapidly, I think. So, yeah, yeah, super, so you can do, come to with them. So, Norris says, I'm three because I'm sick and tired of doing your work here. I look at it on the other coffee. Okay, have fun. Norris says, repo location. It looks like we killed repo.aronishost.net. Well, yeah, or itself killed, I don't know. Can the HPR generator repo be moved to getlab.com? Moving the repo would eliminate the need for an additional read-only mirror, and we could take advantage of GitLab's CICD. And the next comment, three, is from Daris as well, automated build on GitLab. I was able to get GitLab CICD to build the HPR static site. First step was creating the mirror of the HPR generator repo, and it gives the git command to it, git clone, git remote add, git push. And then he says, I then I created a GitLab CICD pipeline to check out the HPR site generator from the mirror. Load the HPR daily mySQL dump into mySQL database, build site, publish to gitlab pages. The CIP project is, and he gives a link to GitLab, went for his build of the thing. And so the build is published at, and it's another GitLab link, which presumably I've not looked at this actually, presumably contains the site actually in a built state. Yeah, cool, cool. Yeah, I have another chance to look as yet either, but it is on my list. I sure will be an ideal thing to do about that actually. You're going to comment for, yep, Rome says, sweet, nice work, Norst. I was thinking about having a mirror on GitLab or my own Gitty instance, but now you've done the heavy lifting smiley face. One minor modification to your site that comes on your GitLab pages will have the audio files and transcripts pointing to the correct spot on r5.org. Media base URL is, uh, that. Yep, cool. Cool. The next day was the 20 second of February, and it was laptop second SSD MX Linux install by Mechia Tronic. And this is about doing hardware upgrades. And the first comment doesn't make sense. Oh, yes, the first comic does make sense, because Ken says the original summary was overcoming fucking UEFI and Windows to install the thingy as per policy. And, uh, mechia Tronic says, laugh out loud. I really wanted to hear her swear. Guess I will have to disguise the phonics if I want that tab. And I did get a kick out of reading the transcript. It really did, uh, holden, holden, callfeed install Linux one clarification. My method of dual booting two hard drives in bias, consider considered of me simply switching the boot hard drive to the bias settings that can't be done with UEFI. Okay. And the next comment Dave, the next comment is from Zen Flota 2, OBS Studio comment. It's entitled, it did go back and read the transcript of my Slackware 15 show. And it seemed a bit unclear on the comment about OBS Studio. I had to compile that program along with others, Slackware 15 offers K, K, and live on the DB really, but not OBS Studio. Anyway, sorry for any misunderstanding. And mechia Tronic says, reply to Zen Flota 2, I see, I didn't like to compile an X, I tried to compile OBS under Devon once and there was always one part that was out of date. So I went through all the steps only to find some dependency on rather that was too old and had to be updated. But when it can't be updated for some reason, there was frustrating waste of time. Never what want to do that again. I didn't even like having to run up to update all that code on my computer from all sorts of different sources. That is constantly changing. How could that could ever be secure? If you went back in time to the 90s and told the computer what user what it's like now, they would think it's nightmare. And there's a comment from Luna Bittin-Jurneberg. Slackware grub, it's in total. Slackware is using Lilo by default and you don't have to create a boot USB stick. Can just install Lilo to the Sanitisk you install on or install grub from Slack package and can figure that. Okay, pretty good to know. On the next day we had Norris with my home router history, which was one I was kind of listening to half-tools and then I stopped. I went back and re-listened to it because some of this stuff is quite interesting to me at this point. I would kind of on the lookout for a good gigabits ethernet routerie hardware thing with two or three gigabits ethernet ports so I can do some network segmentation. So I'm going to have to have a look at some of these. And simple to two says, extremely entertaining. I could not stop my tail from making on this program. It was a squirrel of course. If I was extremely interesting to listen to your program on your router using OpenBSD, could you give us an idea of the throughput on this device you can using OpenBSD, try using Link Remote, which is a speed test site. Okay, when you go, it's an OpenBSD live system, FUG, ULTR, yes, yeah, for Goeter, for Goeter. He's done to go on on this in the past. It's a very nice name, but I thought it was some sort of Japanese fish when I first heard it, but there you go. So next comment, when you go, says, a custom routers or routers in this country. I've been looking into DIY OpenWRT hardware and PC engines came up with a couple of times. I've never heard of them before and was happy to hear about your experience with them and other devices. Cool. Oh, I missed a bit. Thanks for the well-timed episode, he said. Perfect, love of when that happens. But again, we're 17 years and all our episodes are well-timed, Dave. Yeah, true, true, yes. Next, quantum cryptography update, and this is from 2022, and it's probably no harm that the days is in there. But still, good updates at the time, I listen to it. And Brian Anos Hio says, Moore's Law, interesting episode, but Moore's Law has to do with transistor density, not systems getting better. Also, how, now, how a hookah know the intro workings of you really, you cringy and upset. I'm guessing he doesn't. Well, I could tell you how he knows, but we're afraid. I'd have to. Yes, yes, yes. It's inflow to two comments. Very interesting. I found this program very interesting. It was a goodie. He says. Hi, Presidenty, from the squirrel. Yeah, it was good. I don't know quite where it's going to go, but yeah, but we don't need to be too worried, I think, as a hookah's message. Yeah, speaking of American mammals, I guess, golfers, scruity, and another excellent episode, I'm using the golfer approach of golf. And you know what, Dave, I try this out. And I have to say, I love the beauty of it. It's just so simple. Just go, you get the file, you read the file. That's it. No crap. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I installed a golfer server on universities, what was then at Mainframe, the MS cluster. Before there was much in the way, where was a very, very, very new thing. And we weren't sure we wanted to play with that, and fully sure we were. Yeah, it was, it wasn't a general thing. It was meant. It was the thing we used to put up information about the university. We were going to try and do things like with the next bus times and stuff. We never quite managed to get the information that we wanted or have enough people to manage. But it was really nice. We definitely had quite a lot of stuff that had been put there by the computing service department I worked for. So, you know, get a lot of stuff up on there from about where to go, who to see about stuff or how to get access to certain things and so on. Yeah, it was a really nice way of making that available. And the, the, the web stuff when that came, became available, Euro 2 later, looked really crappy and comparison. Of course, early web stuff was grim in the game. There was GoFour was, was nice. But yeah, it was quite an interesting voyage back in time for me. Yeah. Oh, it made the people who are enjoying it as much as they are. So, it's quite nice to see what. I mean, we could, we could post all of, I've been thinking about doing the Gemini Protocol, because it seems to me, you know, we have all this data on HPR. We could just dump it out to a text file and boom, you've got to go for a site with all that content and equally a Gemini Protocol. So, I'd like to know what is somebody wants us to do that? That's, you know, that was the time because we're doing the static site. So, it's another template, essentially. So, yeah, talk to us. Mm-hmm. Yeah, static site in the GoFour site, but it's going to have some similarities. You think, Tim, yeah, the overall structure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, as we're generating the index, static, and well, we can generate a lot of whatever it is that we need for a goal for site. And the sub-directories are all going to be there. So, yeah, it's just extra displays. It doesn't even need you on the main site. You could use their templating that much and just, you know, go for that hack or public radio.org. Yeah, it's only one's interested. Attack on the squish model, and I had to go to Wikipedia find out what a squish model was. That he makes. Makes a lot of sense out. Yeah. I'm out of that world now, having children grown up. There's lots of strange toys loose to look around in corners of this house, but not we never go into that one. Yeah, yeah, fascinating. That, as I was listening, yeah, I see, I like the effect there, that's kind of cool. As I was, you know, the thing about these shows from Rawlness, you know, are indeed anybody who's doing a fix as you go show. You don't actually know if they're going to fix it or not, at the end. Is that like moment of terror or what you know they're going to work? It's going to work. Yes, it works. Yeah, very good. I did enjoy his pictures of things like lots of little cups of lids on in squares. Mark of squares. That is really nice, and also his rather lovely, I fix it to driver kit. I've got one of them. They're quite a number of different types actually, but yeah, but this one looks really cool. You can get a, there's a tray you can get from, I fix it, which has got lots of little square wells, stamped out of PVC or something. That's what I use, and I'm doing this sort of stuff, but I think Rowan's method might have slight advantages in these good lids. Yeah, yeah. Not stuff over his, hopefully not going to roll away and disappear under furniture. Well, I am always terrified when to do something like this is I'm going to get cold away halfway through. I mean, you have no, then it's just there, and you know, accidentally you're getting up a towel or something with the washing down here is on, and then the whole thing goes flying across the room. Yeah, yeah, yeah. People on YouTube because they are on YouTube are filming these sorts of things. So I've seen people do really complicated tear-downs and rebuilds of all manner of stuff, and the comments say things like, how did you remember, and the comments that the reply is, well, I looked at my video and that screw came from. So it's probably a moral there if you set up a webcam or something, don't you have to film yourself, then it might be quite useful if you're doing it in English. As complex as this one seems. And the next day we had chatbox, well, Hulu's, we did it. We did it. We had the next day, the next month. There you go, see what you did there Dave. So what else do we have? We had one comments on a previous show, which was a Linux distro review episode 3776 by Bookworm, and Brian and Ohio had commented how to do it. This is how to do a distro episode, great episode, in which Bookworm replied. Thanks for the compliment, I appreciate it. I have since decided to use zero box as a zone-minded server. We'll see how that goes and I'll record an update. Yes, I need to purchase a couple of hardouts first and maybe do a clean install, do a reinstall for a clean start on that project. Recommend me a non-systemD distribution for a new-ish laptop explicit. I tried Slackware, Devon, MX Linux, and they're all broken in various deal-breaking ways. I figured I must need a rolling lease goal to artworks. Their website looks like dog shit. It can't even log into their form. It keeps giving errors. I wanted to sign up just to complain that they're a fucking telegram that use fucking telegram. They release stuff on a fucking telegram channel, which makes me question their sanity and competence right away. Are these fuckers on meth? Telegram is fucking a dog shit. As they make you sting up with a phone number, if you aren't a member of the telegram, you can't see anything. Well, great fucking fuss. They're fucktards. Needless to say, I'm very proud of our tricks from the start. I'm the best. It's an absolute piece of shit. Judging from their shit website and the fact that they're publishing on fucking telegram, does anybody have any recommendations for a laptop just for without system D? Does Gen2 or BSD play better with newer hardware? Do you want to do John Does, for a sense? Yes. The next one email is from John Doe Locksmith. Great name. Well, I think your way of starting out here rather off the wall, even offensive. Have you tried antics? Yes. And Jesu response, seeing a great childish and offensive, if someone's asking for help, was speaking to me like that in public, I would turn around and walk away. And there are two responses. Yes. Yes, well as Jesu saying, marking something is explicit. That's not what I'm going to say. No, no, it's not you. What's happening is making a electronic is not responding to everybody on the list. He's responding directly to the person who sent this. So his response in private to Jesu was, each shit, then coxiker, it says explicit. Then Jesu replies saying, so Jesu, having received this comment, says marking something is explicit is not a shield against being called out, using pejorative language. And he replies, back to the mail list, which is exactly what he should have done. And make your electronic then responses, saying, personally directly again to Jesu, make sure you take all your cloth shot boosters to dickhead to which Jesu response. I scheduled a boost to show appointment for after lunch. Super. And Carl Chavez says, give Alpine a shot Alpine Linux.org. And in a completely unrelated email, I say, Hi, all, there's a long-standing policy on HBR about moderation. Saying, we do not vet edit moderation anyway, since the audio submit you submit. We trust you to do that. As we asked a few times a foster, we were asked a few times a foster, as to how we get away without moderating. I pointed out that the most important bit of that policy is namely that we trust you to do that part. And that the community understands this responsibility. If we imagine for a moment HBR being a grace teaser, where each show has their own whole, in your hall, you will not be moderators and we will trust you not to say anything in there that would get us into trouble. If you are dealing with some topics of a delicate nature, we make sure that you take reasonable steps to ensure people, do not accidentally stumble upon this. We do not want anyone to be in a situation where they're exposed to an unsavory experience. We go on to say, please note this relates only to the audio you upload, the rest of the message of branding, summaries, tags, show, etc. I manage by the HBR community and maybe edit it. To use our theatre analogy from before, outside the hall, the janitors ensure that the entire theatre is kept welcoming to all. One of our contributors is having a difficult time with this responsibility, not only within their shows, but also in their show notes, in the comments, and now on the mailing list. I can understand that this is difficult for them, but a lot of leniency has been given over the years. At a particular point, you have to accept that even more help is required in showing them the best way to interact with community. Therefore, I wish to propose that until trust can be re-established, all submissions by making a electronic aka Anacore, to the mailing list will be approved by the janitors. We will take up contact with him in cases where the content may cause a fence, and we have had some success with this approach before. This will not apply to anybody else. All our actions will of course be overseen by the HBR auditors who are volunteer community members outside of the janitor and admin team. Do you want me to read? Please do. Yeah, Carl Chai Chai Chai. As comment he says, sounds good to me, but I'm curious what effing non-system D non-dog obscured it. Destro, he goes with. I've become kind of an alpine fanboy, and I'd like to know if I have an unsevery convert, maybe he's livin' up the alpine wiki. And to which Anacore, Matthew Atronic responds, I might stick with MX for a while. I use TLPUI to disable the PCI runtime power management on battery, and currently been up to 42 minutes without USB dying, so may have stumbled into it. I keep changing back when I tried to save a USB suspend, so I tried the PCIe option and it seems to be working. Don't know what the PCIe stuff has to do with USB, but maybe it uses the same power rail, and pretty sure I've tried up and before, didn't like big bucks though, although you probably changed it. I'll try it out again as live and see how it does with the hardware, bitchews, and the video. I just wonder why I responded. By the name Rose, I shook my head about did he send that to me? Did I just pulse that to the public mailing list? Yeah, I was trying to work out what that was. It's like a C-cell tool. Yeah, I sent it to the list. Okay, I shantryed that out, but I will read my reply. Sorry about that. That was not my intended. The email itself fails. JWP's, would you say that in front of granny tests? But for me, it was the awfulest response to Jesra from which is the straw of the broke the camel's back. Jesra handled the correctly, and has been around long enough to know that the community is behind him. Imagine that you had just joined the mail list, and the first post you got was that, say you were brave enough to call them out and doubt a text like that on a private email. It's possible we would never even know. The generousers have had to deal with a lot worse from this contributor in the form of trolling behavior, the illegal content, and other cases of direct attacks to people who questions his behavior. The excuse that he was not aware that he was applying to the person directly cuts no ice with me anymore. So enough is enough. His behavior is not helping grow the community. He has put a lot of effort into me. We have put a lot of effort into making this welcome in place for people that might be scared to do their first show. Just this month, we expect new contributors, because a lot of people have their own personal expense put in the time and effort to resent represent us a foster. The annoying part is that Nick Yotronik, Ike and the court, producers good shows, and there's a valuable member of the community. Fris differently, no more to have any problem with his question. So that's a reply from Windigo to that message or maturid that? Yeah. I agree with this approach as Windigo. This is an isolated case that seems intended to fall outside the very reasonable guidelines in place. Indeed, they seem to have a history of malicious intent and have been treated with tolerance and patience so far. I can appreciate the delicate balance that the janitors are attempting to maintain, preserving freedom for hosts while keeping the community welcoming. Thanks for all the hard work. Now, Jason said I seem to have missed the issue. Any specific issue in question? Oh, I did and then he says, did see us uncalled for, I'd say, approving his posts and wanted enough, although also does he says the root I'd take if over me. Yeah. And Paul Quirk comments, freedom of speech is one of the greatest freedoms of modern civilization, but it's based on the assumption that those who use it will be civilised and civilised. And Brian says, who determines what civilised and civil just deletes make your electronics email if you don't want to read them. Don't show how Europe has succumbed to none of the world thinking when people at free open source software developer meetings think moderation of speech is good and necessary. Brian and Ohio, keep up the tunes coming Paul. Can you read Windigo's commenter, please? Yep. I'm a US citizen, says when Windigo is standing on red blooded American soil, eating flags for breakfast and defecating the constitution. Shitting the constitution, so it's loud and so proud. Okay, not scared of it, but I'm prefer not to. My opinion isn't tainted by the continent I live on, surely. Personally attacking HPR hosts is unacceptable and it's a great way to lose hosts. It was handled in a transparent way and the janitor showed a ton of restraint and fairness. Excellent. And the follow-up was from Jesra. We, the members of the community, what kind of language we will accept in our community. If growing the community and getting more people involved and thus having more shows is a community goal, then it is of interest to the community to see that see to it that exclusionary language is not part of the community. If all are welcome, then all should feel welcome. And Brian in Ohio replies, sorry, didn't know someone was attacked. So there are a few other comments, JWP, how can and everyone else? So I'm a fan of free talk and very opinions. What I'm not a fan of is an appropriate content of public. Yes, as Ken says, if you cannot say it to your grandma, you might know what to say it in a podcast. That level of our platform is Hacker Public Radio. There's nothing sexual in the title. So it might be not be appropriate to talk about sex topics based on our platform name to talk about sex technology or medicine might be okay or even enjoyable. As we went through the last time, if you attack something in your podcast or via the late laws in your podcast, no, that does not work either. In May, I'm going down to the basement at Raspberry Pi will work with a 1980s serial terminal and do things in the internet. There will be a few podcasts about this. Those podcasts will not have sexual or criminal acts or things your grandma might like to see them. Our community should strive for podcasts like this, take care and be safe. And DNT says, I think it would be ideal if people who act like a prick just told off repeatedly in public until they either adjust or leave on their own. But I understand this may not always work out and the desire to keep the environment friendly as legitimate, especially at this time because of the work that several people put into promoting HPR at Foz Dem. I really appreciate the janitor's efforts to accommodate Megatroniac so that we can all enjoy his contributions. It shows a strong commitment to retaining every host and it seems like it would have been much easier for them to ask for support for a ban. If they're willing to moderate him, so be it. It's worth mentioning too that the message has started all this was completely off topic for this mailing list. Might have made more sense on IRC or on the Matrix channel, maybe even would have been tolerated. Thanks DNT. And Ron says, thanks publicly, accessible HPR repository for a hit for your static site. Thanks to the interest shown by Megatroniac and Norst to show HPR 3797, how to submit changes to HPR, I created a public accessible repository on GitLab. Actually, it was where I originally also just was there. Did GitLab repository? We'll be updated once a day from the one on the repo.anonstoster.net. And the GitLab link is in the show notes. GitLab.com for such room, Dr. Horin for such HPR underscore generator. Cool, very good. So, yes. What else is the left to do, Dave? Nothing. I think we're done. I think we're done as well. Yes, indeed. So, tune in tomorrow for another exciting episode. All hacker, public radio. You have been listening to hacker public radio at hacker public radio.org. Today's show was contributed by a HPR listener like yourself. If you ever thought of a coin podcast, click on our contributally to find out how easy it means. Hosting for HPR has been kindly provided by an onstoster.com, the internet archive and our synced.net. On the satellite stages, today's show is released on our creative comments. Attribution for.0.0 international license.