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Hello everybody, this is Dave Morris.
Today I'm sitting at the kitchen table talking to my daughter Clara.
It's currently the end of August and the summer vacation is moving towards its close in the UK.
So soon Clara will be heading back to university for her second year.
This vacation has been quite an interesting and busy one for Clara.
I'd like just to talk about what she's been doing because I think it might be her interest.
So Clara, you were out of the country for several weeks from June this year.
Where were you and what were you doing?
Well, it was a way for four weeks.
I was in Alan called Hoga, which is an Indonesia.
It's part of the Waccatoi Natural Reserve and Indonesia.
It's in a very hard place to spot if you look for it on the market.
It's really remote.
Yeah, incredibly, very, very tiny and it's near to the island of Sulawazy.
That's what I understand about it.
Near the Wall of Sea Online?
Right.
And Wall of Sea is a name given to that region, isn't it?
Yeah, it was named, it's named the Wall of Sea Online because it marks like a split-in-bound biodiversity
Right.
Through Indonesia.
And it's named that after the scientist Alfred Russell Walsh.
Right.
And it's a number of Darwin and a collaborator with Darwin.
Yes.
At various points, wasn't he?
Yeah.
Okay, I find that really quite exciting to work at Sulawazy.
The company I was working with as well was named Wall of Sea.
It's called Operation Wall of Sea.
Because Wall of Sea is where Indonesia is where to start operating.
It's a company that is, it's a non-profit organization that works with conservation
and sort of monitoring biodiversity in very remote areas.
Right.
And they have a sort of base of operations out there, don't they?
Yeah.
Well, they have different projects and lots of different countries.
Yeah.
But they have one there.
Yeah, that's where they started.
Yes.
So how did you happen to get involved with this thing then, huh?
How did you get that?
Well, it was a meeting at the university.
I think it was a group leader leader sort of event where basically that's someone
who has previously worked with Operation Wall of Sea, who wants to go out and do another project with them.
Right.
And they basically get all the sort of information and resources from Operation Wall of Sea.
Then go to university and advertise it and depending on how many people they get to sign up.
They get a discount on the next expedition.
So again, as they say, they get 10 people sign up.
That's basically all that expedition paid for.
Right.
And to understand it, this Operation Wall of Sea is largely funded through having students come out
and they put the volunteers and everything.
The students paying to be there is really what's funding their projects.
There's I'll be putting a link to their website in the notes for this show.
So anybody's interested in going to look for the details there.
But it required you to get some funding to do this, didn't it?
Yeah, yeah. They recommend you go out and do fundraising.
Which didn't exactly work out.
We did earn a bit of money, but not as much as I hoped to, because we didn't.
We had a few people saying Andrews, who were interested in fundraising, but they just didn't.
Like, they didn't seem very organized and we didn't really organize any big group of events.
Right.
And there's not a lot of fundraising opportunities and perhaps in a small town like London.
It's quite difficult.
I mean, like the only things we were thinking of a few options, like selling stuff like food outside of the library.
But then there's so much competition from like society's from the university to do that sort of thing.
Right.
But you applied for a grant, didn't you?
Yeah, yeah, that was another thing they recommended you doing.
So Operation Wall of Sea of themselves had a grant called the Alphabet Russell Wall of Scrant inspired by, you know,
of Russell Walls, because he was the person who discovered and named the Wall of Sea of line.
And you had to write about yourself and also write about Russell Walls.
Right.
You had to do an essay to everything.
Yeah.
And then based on that, you either did what you didn't get a grant.
Yeah.
And you did.
I did get a grant.
Yeah, that was very cool.
I think probably probably a bit of politics involved in that, because I think they sort of like to pick.
Based on what I've seen for previous years, they like to pick one person, which from the university.
So I think especially could say Andrews as well as quite a sort of prestigious Scottish university.
They were like, right, we're going to have one person from Saint Andrews.
So I think I didn't really have much competition because they weren't many people from Saint Andrews who were going.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I was like, let me be one or two people of the me.
So I didn't really have that much competition.
So.
So.
What type of quite well?
You headed off in June.
Yeah, that's in June.
You were aware that there were going to be a bunch of other people flying out there as well.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So how long did it take you to get there?
You probably can't remember in detail, but just tell us about what sort of trip it was.
It was a very long journey.
Very long.
It was well over 30 hours in total as over there.
Yeah.
So there was like a, well, three or four planes I had to take.
So there was one, I took one sheet from Edinburgh to Qatar.
And then from Qatar to Jakarta in Indonesia.
And then another plane from Jakarta to Makasa, which is another island in Indonesia.
And as we went all the way, it was smaller and smaller.
Yeah.
That was also in Sulawesi.
Yeah.
Each one was about.
First one was about seven hours and second was nine.
And then the third I think was about four hours.
I can't remember.
But.
And then we took a plane from Makasa out to Jakarta will be.
Yeah.
And that was, that was a really small plane.
How like about a hundred people.
Yeah.
It was quite, it was that that journey that journey on that plane took about two hours.
Right.
Right.
That was a little turbo prop plane.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
And then once you got to the islands, what happened then?
We sort of landed in land. So we got put in a cars and taken out to the coast.
Mm-hmm.
Where they had a dock and we went on a boat.
A really rickety sort of boat.
They had to, they had like, um,
The windows were just sort of open rectangles in the boat.
And they had to sort of put this wooden bit so that the water didn't splash in.
And they were like, don't sit on the floors because the water will flood in and you'll get wet.
So sit on top of this like,
They had a, they had a sort of underbook thing to put our luggage in.
It had like a top to it. So we all had to sort of sit on that.
All right.
Keep keep out of the water that was coming into the boat.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So we're part of the water level.
But it made, I mean,
Well, there's lots, lots transport around between New Zealand.
So whoever was running this obviously did this every day in New England.
No, every day.
And every week because that's when we would get new people in.
Yeah.
But possibly doing it for other people as well as shipping people around between the island.
Yeah.
I think that big boat was that big boat was specifically for upboard.
All right. Okay.
I think like the locals, because it's a very fishing heavy community,
especially it's very close to an island called Sempel, some of you might recognize it
because it's famous for like being this village out in the ocean.
Right.
It's been built out in the ocean.
And it's, it's like the residents of it are used to be nomadic fishermen.
And they used to live the whole life out in the ocean in little boats.
And they were pressured by the Indonesian government to settle.
So so we get to very, the community around the areas,
very sort of centered around fishing.
So a lot of people over the local sort of own though in boat.
So that's how usually that's how they travel out.
Okay.
Okay.
You went.
That was a, that was a full journey.
When we got there.
And then nobody was seasick, I hope.
No, no, no one threw up.
No.
Okay.
And then you were finally on Hogar Island.
Yeah.
And so what was that like once you, once you got there,
what was your impression of it?
It's a really lovely place.
It's very, you could imagine it being pictures of it being advertised in like a brochure
as like a sort of exotic paradise.
Yes.
Yes.
It's a paradise.
It was kind of, it was also kind of doing this at the same time.
It was like, it's exciting but dangerous.
Like we got there and we got a big presentation on everything that could kill us.
That's nice.
From both animals and the train because their paths had been constructed throughout the island.
And we were told we can't go past certain points because partly because it was owned by the locals
and also because like they didn't have proper paths built there.
And like we had to, because there were no lights when we went out to our hut at night.
We had to carry torches and we had to stick to the path because we went off the path.
You could fall into a coral hole and that these big, big, jaddy, rocky holes.
And that would, they were like, yeah, you probably won't find you in there.
Or at least you'll get really badly scripted.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You'd be there all night, possibly really, really find you or something.
And there's lots of, like, there's commote, there's commote dragons in there.
Really?
I don't know, I don't know.
I don't know if they were commote dragons.
Okay.
I mean, it is, this is the area for them but, yeah, hopefully there's not,
I'm going to stalk in around, wow.
Yeah, you want to watch those guys.
And then there were snakes as well.
Yeah.
There were few people who actually saw like,
Bigs of Hiddard, Cobras.
All right.
Wow.
And well, that was just on land and the ocean.
There was tons of stuff there.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
So fish.
And what we call the cone confish, the cone shells.
Oh, yeah, they are called cone shells.
Yeah.
Because they're, they're venomous shellfish.
One of the most venomous creatures.
I think it's the most venomous sea creature.
Like they were saying that if you get jowt by them,
and you had to be careful because the, the, like,
stinger is like, it can extend twice the body length.
Mm.
But yeah, if you get stung by that,
you're dead within half an hour.
So you get stung by that, you're, you're doomed.
Yeah.
You're finished.
Yeah.
Stonefish was a bit safer because I mean,
you, you die within five hours.
But that might just be enough time to take you to, like, a hospital.
Which was two hours away by boat.
More than that.
More than that.
Oh, yeah.
You have to get a boat out.
And then a plane.
Mm.
Because the, like, the closest hospitals like on Bali.
Because we were, yeah, we were really wrong.
That's a long way out.
So there was, like, no,
there was a sort of basic clinic for first aid.
And there was, they had a doctor that, you know,
you could go to as you are and while anything.
But yeah, they couldn't really do much for you.
You could go sick.
Mm.
Wow.
It's good thing you made it back.
Yeah.
We were talking about this because, of course,
everyone was very, sort of paranoid.
They were like, oh my god, there's so many things in motion that can kill you.
Uh, and we were told that, you know,
no one had actually died out in an easy yet.
I don't think anyone, I don't know.
They were also warning us about decompression sickness,
because we were, we were scuba diving.
And they said that no one had had to be, like,
transporter away because of decompression sickness.
Right.
So no big emergency stuff.
No, no, no decompression sickness.
But yeah, it was, it was quite concerning.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Especially because you saw quite a lot of these creatures.
Yes.
Specifically, I did some, I'll talk about more detail,
but one of the things I did was reef survey techniques,
and so they were getting us to ID invertebrates.
And they were wanting us to find,
um, they wanted us to ID a specific type of, like,
sheld and vertebrate.
And they were saying how it looked kind of like a cone shell.
Um, sometimes mistake it as cone shell.
And they saw they said, you know,
if you're turning it over to make sure it's alive,
because you have to make sure it's alive to, uh, to Italian.
It can't, yeah.
Do it with your board or your pencil.
Like, not with your finger.
And we were, I was just like, no, I'm not going to touch it.
Not counting them.
No.
So who else was there with you then?
This is quite a busy place, I'll take it.
Yeah, well, we had, there were lots of different people,
different age groups.
Uh, but you had the staff, the sort of main staff
were like, uh, scientists,
scientists or teachers and that sort of thing.
And then you had, like, the diving masters,
who buried an age a lot.
One of the, the woman specifically who taught me diving
was just like a, you know, to all of them.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
Yeah.
And then we had the dissertation students who were,
there must have been, like, fourth year university students
who had gone out to do their dissertation in, uh, in Newsy,
and they were up for about six weeks.
And then you had the, the research assistants, which was what I was.
Yeah.
Um, who are the people who went out to assist the
dissertation students?
Very good.
Yeah.
There's also quite a number of people on the,
the lit, lit their permanently.
Well, yeah, we had other than sort of the people in charge,
all the sort of staff, like the people who were cooking for us.
Mm-hmm.
The people who owned our hearts as well could be had landlords.
So everyone had a different style of her.
Mm-hmm.
Some people had better landlords,
and others, like, yeah.
There were some that baked people cakes and donuts.
Yeah, right.
And the others, like, like, I never saw my landlord,
like, I don't think, like, I think the first time I saw him in the last time I saw him
was when he took us to our heart.
And then that was it.
Right.
Whereas other people were like, it would come in.
They'd be like, oh, do you want some cake?
My landlord made us cake.
And I'm like, everyone was like,
oh, damn you.
I was going to ask you what you were doing.
I've had quite a lot of that, really.
Well, but you, you weren't,
I did a different thing every week.
Yeah.
Because what did you start off with?
Like, you have to get skills first before you can do this.
I was a research assistant.
Yeah.
I was only a research assistant technically for one week.
So basically, everyone who hadn't done,
you know, I didn't have a party certification in patties,
that the organization that you train with,
and you get certification with to a scuba dive.
Yeah.
I think they're different organizations you can do it with.
The patties, one of the sort of universally accepted ones.
So you can pay which go anywhere in the globe and say,
we've got a patty certification,
they go all right.
You can scuba dive.
Yeah.
So we spent the first week doing that.
It was surprising how short that time was.
It wasn't even a full week.
It was about five days.
I think I got my patty certification within those five days.
It was like we started on,
I think it was like we started on Wednesday.
And then I finished by Saturday morning.
That was the last dive we did.
And it was like you're done.
Yeah.
But there was an intensive stuff wasn't even.
Yeah, yeah.
It was done.
I've been all day pretty much tomorrow.
Yeah.
We're getting up at like five in the morning before the sun
or even risen.
And getting ready and going out to do theory stuff.
And then we go out and do diving.
And we had like,
it was something like you had to do four confined dives,
which were usually you do in a pool,
but because we didn't have pools.
And we had the ocean instead.
You got into the ocean.
It would be like,
I think you had to be within five meters of the surface.
And like the first one we did,
we were just sort of kneeling down the water.
So I've got used to our regulators and that's a thing.
And then we sort of steadily got deeper and deeper down.
And it was really interesting,
because you sort of at the beginning of sort of like,
like how am I going to do this?
This is really like you think about being underwater,
like 10 meters down,
which is just a regulator for your air.
And there's something going wrong.
You're like,
this is really concerning.
I don't know if I can do this.
At the end of me,
you're just like,
yeah,
this is fine.
I can do it.
That's good.
Yeah,
getting over that instinctive fear of putting your head under the water.
And not wanting to breathe because you breathe water in and stuff.
It's quite a difficult thing to master.
I mean,
I was not by no means an expert,
because the following week I found,
like my buoyancy was all over the place.
It took everyone was like,
it was quite,
it was a bit more stressful
because we were doing what's called reservient techniques.
And that was basically them training us to be able to
ID species very species on the reef and
go out and do this sort of practical survey techniques.
Yeah.
So things like robusty,
which is measuring like,
like how smooth the bed surfaces.
Right.
Or things like we were using quadrats and,
uh,
transx,
yeah,
cause it runs.
Yeah.
And measuring like,
a number of species within the area.
And that sort of thing.
It was everything from coral,
like soft and hard coral,
to invite a bit of fish and all of that sort of stuff.
And we did seaweed and sea grasses as well.
Yeah,
that was quite,
it was a bit stressful because they were like,
right,
you need to go down and do this stuff.
And you need to maintain your buoyancy
because if you don't maintain your buoyancy,
you're going to knock into stuff.
Yeah.
And we were all like,
just sort of flailing out.
Yeah.
To me until like half the week to,
like, have my weights right?
Cause it was like, I think,
cause you're,
you're weight so weird thing.
And your buoyancy's depend on how you breathe as well.
So I think I was,
I was always at the beginning because
I was like,
in the,
in the first week,
we were having to settle these like bamboo mats
to do various exercises like taking off our masks.
And that sort of thing.
And I could not stay down.
I think it was because I was nervous.
And so I,
cause I was nervous.
Like, you know,
I wasn't completely relaxed.
I hadn't breathed out all the oxygen.
Okay.
In my body.
So it's like in a swimming pool.
Like when you breathe out entirely,
then you can sink,
but when you breathe in,
you float up.
Yes.
And it was like,
because of that,
I was overweighted.
And so I started,
the first week,
and I was like sinking,
and I kept having to constantly put in my,
and I'd be CD.
And then I was like,
oh,
I'm too overweighted.
So I took weights away.
And then I was too underweighted.
We had one while we went out to San Pal,
which luckily wasn't a really biodiversity area.
Because otherwise,
I would have liked.
I would have liked.
I would have liked.
Just destroyed whole bed of course.
So I literally,
I literally just fell from the ground.
And it was like,
I can't,
I can't,
like it was like the flowing up or sinking.
It was awful.
And the,
the dad,
Master of who was with us.
He was like,
at the end,
I basically had to just sort of pull you along like a balloon.
So I kept looking up.
Ah,
that's,
yes.
Yes.
So tie a string to you.
And then.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Of course.
Of course.
But that's what you,
that's what you're there for,
isn't it,
to learn this thing.
I mean,
nothing.
I was able to do some snorkeling as well,
which is really fun.
You do,
you do sort of,
you do that on the reef flat.
And you sort of duck down and,
you tuck like the transact on the staff.
And then that was fun.
That was really fun.
Sounds fantastic.
Yeah.
I'm sure a lot of people will be very jealous to hear about your experience.
But we also had a test at the end of that week.
People were quite frustrated by that.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
You said you had an exam.
Yeah.
Because we had no other bad names.
All the things.
Yes.
There was like about a hundred species or something.
And we had to,
they,
they would have,
the big,
the exam was basically the issue of like 40 slides or something.
And you had to,
it would say family or
genus or something like that.
You had to write down that name.
So it was so much memorization.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And you were covering something new like every single day.
So it was really quite stressful.
But I passed.
I passed first time.
So I worked out.
So it was,
it was not a sort of relaxing holiday.
It was all gone.
It was not relaxed.
It was still very rewarding.
Yeah.
I had the third week.
I did,
we've monitoring.
Yeah.
We've monitoring.
Which is something they do in operation.
We'll see a,
but they basically monitor the diversity of different various species in the reef.
And they use that to determine how healthy the reef is.
And whether or not it's been damaged over,
you know,
since the last few years.
Yeah.
And they,
they sort of give it into the government.
Okay.
And you got some,
there was some fairly fancy equipment involved in that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There was a,
they used this,
like,
stereoscopic camera,
which was basically like two cameras on the end of like this big sick
that people,
like one person would swim around,
down in transit with it.
And it would monitor the fish.
And then they put into a program,
why you'd,
which you could use to measure the fish.
It was very finicky.
Mm-hmm.
But yeah,
we spent the week up really early,
and go out in two consecutive dives,
which was really tiring.
It's very exhausting.
You had to go out,
go on a dive at seven.
And then come back,
get all your gear off.
And then you'd have about half an hour to rest.
And then you have to settle your gear back up.
And then go out again.
Capturing this,
getting this stuff.
And then after that,
you'd have a bit of a break for lunch,
and maybe enough time to go and have like a mandee,
which is what how we bathed,
which is basically a bucket of water.
And then we had like a sort of smaller tail
that you picked up before or before.
Because we had no running water.
No.
So that was,
I mean,
we had a,
no,
no,
we didn't have any running water.
Mm-hmm.
I mean,
yeah,
no,
no,
I don't know what I'm thinking about.
No,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no,
can go,
no,
if you go something
that you just,
hard to grab.
Just bring it down,
you don't make it.
But I think we had one water anyway,
because I'm just thinking,
have,
to,
do we have taps,
no,
we didn't,
we had a bucket that you just pulled water up
until your hand.
And it looks somewhere, maybe,
what they brought in on theds.
the lab and we'd sort of, they'd have filmed like transit lines and we'd sort of
stop the video every sort of half a meter and you'd write down what was there so
like rock or sand or whatever species of coral or whatever was there or all we
do in this sort of fish videos and that was for a week and then the last week
the last week I was a research assistant and it was quite that was quite a
busy week as well I was in the water at least three times a day because that
was made to research assistants at that point because everyone else who had
done like training with me had gone off to do something called the
culture course which is why you went around the surrounding islands and sort of
got an idea of you know you sort of experienced the culture and that's
something so they went to some peller and met people there and what to see what
the lifestyle was like and that was an interesting that was it sounded really
interesting and I think I would have done it about him more time but being from
like with my mum being from Indonesia I've had a lot of experience with
Indonesian culture so there was a lot of stuff that people were surprised by
that I was like oh yeah that's Indonesia they were like the whole like the
neglectance of rubbish like they were just throw out like there was one girl
who was saying he was really shocked because she found that her land or just
basically would grab the rubbish and just throw it down a coral hole and she was
like this is how can they do this this is like they're ruined and they live
on now is like yeah that's something Indonesia because it's the sort of yeah they
don't really know how to deal with this stuff no it's it's it's a gradual
process to yeah they've kept people into they've got this specific culture and
then all this new stuff to be introduced they don't really know how to
integrate that properly we'll deal with it yeah it's part of what what operation
one is here is it's helping to educate the population and lots of the Indonesian
government's quite strong on this sort of coming so one to preserve these
sort of places yeah I decided that because I went there to be a research assistant
I wanted to do at least one week of research assistant work yeah so I was out
I've mostly circling because they weren't many people who were willing to
circle so I was mostly snorkeling I was working with a girl who was sort of
serving fish part of us she in the sea grass which was really interesting I've
never I've not really been out there that much so it was really it was really
cool to see sort of stuff in the sea grass I did various other things I would
have I think if I could go back I would have stayed another two weeks at least
because it was really it was really enjoyable and there was sort of stuff I
could have done yeah yeah yeah yeah you just you got your skill level up yeah
and I got my endurance up as well like it was so I think by the end of the
third week I got past the point where everything was exhausting and like I
built up myself strength in endurance and effort everything was much more it
was more like rewarding you didn't come out feeling exhausted you sort of felt
that sort of physical exhaustion that sort of makes you feel excited and you
know wanting to do more of it yeah yeah the length of time you satisfied I
guess you'd say yeah we had to decide on the length of time beforehand and it
was sort of decided on the basis of well originally I'd plan six weeks but like
I had because one I was sick during the first semester of my first year I've
missed an exam I did being deferred to August and because it was one of my
it wasn't my biology when it was my earth science subject which I was less
familiar with I thought I needed extra time in this study I didn't want to I
wanted a bit of opportunity to have a break and then study why as if I did
sit with definitely I'd have to come back and just study for a way so yeah yeah
shame but there you go what can you do yeah let's just finish off by asking you
a couple of questions what do you actually feel you gained from from doing this
well I think well I mean it was just a wonderful experience because I got to
meet of interesting people by also got to see the reefs and the amount of
there were some really beautiful areas out there that were just lovely and
biodiversity and I've never seen anything like that with my own eyes before and
it was just a really wonderful experience as a biologist yeah then that was
and of course I learned how to identify stuff as well so I think oh that's a
parrot patient that's a butterfly fish and I know what that species is called and
you've got to go and you told me you went to Mangrove area yeah we did
there at the end of the research as a snack which was not the research as
the reef survey techniques because they wanted us to I mean that was the only
time I went there but because we were researching the sea grass is at that
point that was a good area to go up to and that was really interesting we were
just snorkeling with no weights or anything like that so you're just floating on
the surface because the the bed of the mangoes was like like a few me like a few
meters away like a two meters away from you and you had all these ups head
down jellyfish and stuff it's really beautiful and amazing I didn't know anything
but I mean of course I also learned how to do it I've which I can I can do
like of course you'd have to have the gear now as well except for the BCD and
then the air tanks want to be ready my way it's sure I think it says for
buoyancy control device it's basically this big sort of it's kind of like a
jacket but it's it's the thing that inflates or deflates two kinds of
buoyancy all right okay yeah I don't know and then your regs are like your
reggy which is what you breathe through and also you have your main
reg and your secondary reg for emergencies or your buddies out of oxygen and then
you have like a and then you have a that clips into a BCD and that's where you
get the air form and then you get like a your SPG which is a thing that tells you
how much air you've got less than what depth you are yeah yeah okay that was
really good I like I want to do more diving yeah I think if I ever got to
introduce you again on holiday I want to I want to do it diving do some
do some proper diving there so yeah well that leads me to my last question
which is would you do this again if you got the chance yeah I think I would
problem right now is that I like I probably want to go out and do some
proper research this doesn't work you know on a specific project because
that's the sort of thing companies I don't know companies and organizations
expect you to have when you're CVS or biologists yeah so I probably have to
go out and do that and so I don't want to spend it was quite an expensive trip
and I don't want to have to spend that much money I think if I do do like a
something with operationalcy again I'll do the group reg lead a thing because
that was something we were offered to do and I'll do the leader deal and try
and recruit people to go in expedition I don't know if I do a ocean one
again I might but one of the ones that interest me the most was the
treachery one out in Africa or you basically live out in the Savannah and
huts and so and not huts and tents and like you're literally out of the
Savannah so they have like those lionproof fences around the campsite and you
go out into the Savannah and they were saying how it's quite dangerous it can
be quite dangerous work because you can actually have like face-to-face encounters
with wildlife and you get taught specific ways to avoid them we'll have to deal
with them and you have to you know it's it's quite
strenuous but it's very rewarding and I'd like to I think it's another extreme
you know I've I've experienced the sort of marine biology side I kind of
want to experience that sort of very you know Africa is a good place to
stress yourself yeah very cool psychology well I hope that comes
comes to be and we'll have to see anyway hopefully I'll have time one
some holiday or something alright let's let's this cooler hold at that
point. Thanks very much Clara and hope everybody enjoyed hearing about your
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